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    Please...need 2 large changes to the website.



    I hate to complain but the website needs major work. I, as a veteran, still took about 10 minutes to figure out where and how to join a division. Imagine how a new player would struggle.

    • Small text on the left
    • Small text in the center
    • Small text on the right
    • Way too complicated
    • Wall of text everywhere
    • Multiple hyperlinks to join scattered and small


    Note how much easier the above is to read! Big type works! Fewer words works!

    My suggestions are to follow Guy Kawasaki's rules of PowerPoint.
    • 10 concepts (no more than 10 subjects or topics on one page)
    • 20 seconds (easy enough to read and navigate the entire page in 20 seconds)
    • 30 point text (detail text should be 30 point type or larger)
    • 40 point titles (buttons, navigation, and titles should be 40 point type or larger)


    Second, there is a lot of text and general attitude that is really insulting to clans. Especially in the FAQs.

    There is a concept in sales of "self-selection." Self-selected customers are the best customers to have because they have already pre-qualified themselves for the features and benefits you offer. No one walks into a Jeep showroom looking for urban street cred. Potential Jeep customers are looking to be outdoorsy.

    The fact is clans are full of self-selected and pre-qualified people who want to play in an organized fashion. They are ideal for recruitment but 21CW needs to be more clan friendly. Insulting clans like the FAQ does hurts recruiting new players into the tournament.

    Below is a link where I am trying to recruit. This clan/team is not only full of self-selected people wanting to play in an organized fashion but play in a large-scale organized fashion (32-on-32). Look at the hostility as soon as they read the FAQ.


    http://armoredfist.net/bf3forum/m/22...rnament/page/1

    Please change the FAQ and check the anti-clan attitude at the door and we can return 21CW to the size and stature it had in the glory days

    -58Congo


    P.S. I am untechnical but willing to help

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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    In what way is it insulting to clans?


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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    Quote Originally Posted by From FAQ
    Is this like a clan?

    No, 21CW is not a clan. We do not rely on any external organizations, ladders, clubs, or groups for this tournament. 21st Century Warfare has its own schedule, servers, administrators, forums, and armies; everything needed to run independently and entirely on its own. Individuals and members of clans are welcomed to join, but you will have to leave your clan tags/affiliations at the door.
    "We do not rely on clans" and "leave your clan tags at the door"

    Better:

    21st Century Warfare is not a clan, league, or ladder. Players do not need to organize themselves into clans before joining 21CW. The tournament has 2 permanent sides that fight each other each week. The servers, administrators, leadership, and forums are provided by the tournament for both divisions.

    Individuals without a clan are welcome. Clans are also welcome and, if you "pay to pick" ($5) to fight on the same side, the commanders of the division will place you in the same squad so you can fight alongside your clanmates. Some clans like to play 21CW in addition to their normal clan matches to keep sharp against organized opponents.

    The only rule for clans is that, during battle, that clans change their tags to their 21CW division tags. This is only during battle. We need to have everyone using 21CW division tags so the tournament administrators can effectively manage both divisions (numbers, sides) on the server during battle day.

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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    Is this like a clan?

    No, 21CW is not a clan. We do not rely on any external organizations, ladders, clubs, or groups for this tournament. 21st Century Warfare has its own schedule, servers, administrators, forums, and armies; everything needed to run independently and entirely on its own. Individuals and members of clans are welcomed to join, but you will have to leave your clan tags/affiliations at the door.
    Change the red to "while here you will need to where the 21CW Army tags"
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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    I agree with Congo on changing the verb-age to what he wrote or to what ashes wrote as either is acceptable. As it stands now it basically tells clans that you can play here but we don't give a damn about your community, which is a big turn off for clans.
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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    Everyone should still read the thread I linked.

    The truth is that the clan world is many times larger than the 21CW world. The clan world is full of players pre-identified as wanting a team-oriented atmosphere.

    This should be our market...our source for players wanting to play as a team.

    We don't have a good way of explaining 21CW to them. And that is why we are small.

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    Question Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    Can we focus on this that makes them serious players..like maybe asking them for a training mock battle alternating each week
    -each side of our tourney,naturally?
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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    I agree things could be more clear but it is still a lot better than it was the first time I got here for DC. I think the problem is too many different threads and the "wall of text" like you mention. A video would be better. They have also always relied too heavily on TS imho here. I believe the thinking is to get them into the correct company and to TS and then we'll figure it out. The problem is joining TS and getting help is a little intimating if you are new. I believe many might get there and never move past it and get going. Here is what we have for example for all the information on getting started:

    Step 1: Sign in to the Division
    Step 2: Check back on your post to see which Company you are assigned to, and then sign in to your Company.
    Step 3: Read ALL of the 21CW Tournament Rules!
    Step 4: Connect to Teamspeak .
    Step 5: Jump on TS and start having fun!

    We just kind of dump them after TS. I'm not sure on a solution to that honestly. TS is a major part of the deal here and once you do get going it works well. Maybe instead of just "here is how to connect to TS" we could add some next steps beyond that. For example, after connecting to TS here is what you should do. If nobody responds or you don't get any help do this.

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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    Im forwarding this for discussion by the admin staff. Changing that text wont be difficult to do, but the other issues will be hard as we simply cant change everything as we arent the only tournament in here.

    Remember that after Step 5 on your list TonEighty, its the responsibility of both armies to get people up and running with the ins and outs of 21CW. The moment they sign up these people need to be embraced.

    Thats the way 21CW has worked in all those years. From the start its the armies duty to keep the people aboard.


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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    No I know and sometimes it works well. Sometimes it doesn't. It really depends on what is going on at the time. Sometimes the leaders are just too busy. I'm just saying people should know what to do after they connect to TS. Not everyone knows TS that well and some might have never used it. They should also have options if they don’t get help. It does happen.

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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    Yes, a step 6 to tell whats up next(get with your army/company/whatever and if you have questions ask him or her)


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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    It's not the job of just the leaders. NCOs/long-time players should step up and help folks too.

    It's the job of everyone who's played here before to help integrate new people. It's the job of the Divisions to have SOPs in place to welcome and integrate new players to their Division. So that way that even if there are no HCOs/CO on other players in a Division can step up and do the job.


    The other reason we point to TS is to get people into the community ASAP. So they don't have to read the 'wall of text' to get everything they need.
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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    I can only echo what Congo has to say about the website, the obscurity of how to join a division and the overall excessively cluttered look and feel of the site. It is obvious that this is a wider issue, involving MyIS and other tournaments, but I'd be utterly surprised if they would be miffed to get constructive criticism, being a business that does rely on users actually finding their way into and around their "shopping window" in the first place. Often trying to put too much information out at the same time just has the absolute opposite effect.
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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    FYI, the frontpage has received some love to make things less crowded/cluttered.
    The FAQ has been changed to be more clan friendly(not that we were not clan friendly before, but its better worded now)

    Thanks to Dogma.

    www.21cw.net


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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    It does look a lot better
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    Re: Please...need 2 large changes to the website.

    Just remember if you're new or old and coming back, or pointing new folks here, use www.21cw.net as your first stop. It has all the info on how to join, who we are, etc. In fact it has buttons in several places that all point to the same place. Just in case images work better for some folks, or words for others. It also feature our battle map, click on conquered territories to read a news story about that day's battle.


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