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ADRIFTER
05-28-2007, 04:26 AM
so i happen to need another PC.....and a fast one.
i decided to built it to save some cash and have a little fun.

i have mostly everything picked out, but i have a few questions....

here is what i have so far:


Sondigo inferno 7.1 Channels PCI Interface Sound Card - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16829156003)-99
SONY 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write White E-IDE/ATAPI Model DRU830A - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827131035)-58
LITE-ON CD Burner Black IDE Model SOHR-5239V - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16827106997)-19
SCEPTRE X22WG-1080p Black 22" 2ms(GTG) DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16824112009)-260
Western Digital Raptor WD740ADFD 74GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16822136033)-160
G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400PHU2-2GBHZ - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820231065) -110
Intel Core 2 Duo E6700 Conroe 2.66GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6700 - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819115002)-320
RAIDMAX RX-630A ATX12V / EPS12V 630W Power Supply - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817152026)-100
BFG Tech BFGR88768GTXOCE GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 OC HDCP Video Card - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814143080)- 580

approx total of the above ~ $1706

or: MSI NX8800GTX OC Liquid GeForce 8800GTX 768MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Liquid Cooler HDCP Video Card - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16814127282)-650

now i know i'm missing some major things here, so this is where i need some help....

first, core 2 extreme 6800 @ 2.93 for $970 or core 2 6700 @ 2.66 for $320?
is it actually worth thr extra 600 dollars?

second, what high quality mobo could fit all of this?

third, what stylish case could fit all of this + have a few USB ports and firewire ports?

fourth, is the second vid card worth it (as in, better than the first...no i dont want sli right now).....or for that matter, might you have a better idea for a card?

please feel free to pick apart at every aspect of it and let me know what my best buy is.

BigBlueCheese
05-28-2007, 04:40 AM
Go for the cheaper Core 2. You don't need the top of the line yet, and once you do, you can probably upgrade to that 2.93 for $250 and you'll in the end save money.

Asus or Gigabit are nice ones. Think about where you want your components located and then go from there. Also software is something you should look for with a mobo.

Case is something you'll need to find. I'd go on newegg and go through the cases. If you're serious about computing, you could go for water cooling, but I don't think you want to invest in that ($150-200).

Two video cards is only worth it when you can get one heck of a bargain on the second card. One really good card will work well for now. Games can't utilize dual CPUs quite yet, and they really can't utilize SLI or Crossfire for quite a while.

ADRIFTER
05-28-2007, 05:32 AM
and since i dont want vista of course, any thoughts on using linux?

though first i need to check linux's compatibilty with the adobe CS3 suite, lightwave 9, 3ds max 8, and combustion 4......

[44M]C|Sgt.Cannonfodder
05-28-2007, 09:21 AM
I'm not sure who your a big fan of when it comes to video cards. From the sites I have the read the Ati Radeon 2900 XT costs 120 bucks less and performs just as good 8800 GTS or better. Just something to think about. Either way they are both great cards. I'm not entirely sure when the 2900 XTX will be coming out, but that will be better than the GTS for certain. However, I am sure it will be more expensive as well....

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814195044 -ATI X2900 XT

I also agree with BBC on the Dual Core 2.66 ghz. I don't know how much of a performance difference the Quad Core would give while doing video editing, since i know you do such things. Thats something to look into. If there is a good performance difference then I would go for it (thats alot of money though :P).

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136011
Go for that drive drifter. 50 bucks more and twice as large (up to you though, I would spend the extra money if possible).


btw Nice find on the Monitor and RAM.

ADRIFTER
05-28-2007, 07:13 PM
ok, so i'm going with the core 2 @ 2.66 ghz for sure now. i'll just upgrade it later. no point spending an extra 600 on .3 ghz right now, and the only core quad i found was 2.4 ghz.......which wont cut it because quads arent even optimized with CS3 yet.

@Cannon, thanks for the link on the HDD, i'll throw that in.


now, out of the two cards i posted, and the ati 2900 XT, which is the best buy?
i dont think i want to wait for the 2900 XTX because its release is Q3 right now....and i need this PC up and running for work in under a month.

and i still need to find a Mobo with 3 or more PCI X16 slots, and a case to fit that.....


EDIT:

specs on the three cards:

BFG 8800gtx: 600mhz core clock, 1800 mhz memory clock, 768mb of ram, 384 bit memory interface, 128 stream processors - $550

MSI 8800gtx (water cooled) : 610mhz core, 2000 mhz memory, 768mb of ram, 384 bit memory interface, 128 stream processors - $650

ATI 2900 XT: 750 core clock, 1650 memory, 512mb of ram, 512 bit memory interface, 320 stream processors - $450

so, which comes out on top?

[44M]C|Sgt.Cannonfodder
05-28-2007, 08:39 PM
Um.... The more research I do the more I see the problem with the ATI card. The drivers still aren't that good yet. It its power hungry and loud. If your building this now just buy the 8800 GTS. Its a lot more refined right now than other cards. I would go for it. Me, I have plenty of time so I'm gonna wait and see what happens with the 2900 XTX and decide what I will do from there.

Is this a good mobo for you. (I'm still looking)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131074

ADRIFTER
05-28-2007, 08:52 PM
yeah, i've read that the 2900 XT gets beat by the 8800 GTX in most cases anyway...

but now back to processors....

what is the difference between these two:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103773) - $500
and
AMD Athlon 64 FX-74 Windsor 3.0GHz Socket F (1207 FX) DSDC Architecture Processor Model ADAFX74DIBOX - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103866) -$410

and are both better than the Core 2 i had picked out?
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BigBlueCheese
05-28-2007, 09:55 PM
Here's the difference with 3DS Max:
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=694&model2=609&chart=188

CS2 -
http://www23.tomshardware.com/cpu.html?modelx=33&model1=694&model2=609&chart=186

Looking at the benchmarks for those processors, it just depends on the benchmark for which is better. Check around and see which benchmarks you think are most relevant to you.

However, both are quite expensive and I'd step down a step or two along the lines. The FX series uses the opteron processor architecture (normally used in servers) in home computers. It is also a different socket, where the AM2 socket, used with the 6000+ will be used with the next generation of AMD processors, so it's the socket you want in your mobo for the long run. The 6000 also seems to need more power and thus will produce more heat. The 5600 however, would be a much better choice than the 6000 as far as I can see.

Here's an article about the Core2 vs. Athlon:
http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/05/04/which_is_the_best_mainstream_cpu/#navigation

For your price range, the Core2 is a better buy because AMD can't compare for the higher end processors.

ADRIFTER
05-30-2007, 02:34 AM
hmm, seems the FX and e6700 are about dead even.......FX wins with HD footage conversion, core 2 in photoshop......


anyone else have an opinion on FX-74 VS core 2 e6700?

can anyone confirm this release date? :
<TABLE class=wikitable><TBODY><TR><TD>Core 2 Duo E6850</TD><TD></TD><TD>3000 MHz</TD><TD>4096 KiB</TD><TD>1333 MT/s</TD><TD>9x</TD><TD></TD><TD>65 W</TD><TD>LGA 775</TD><TD>July 22, 2007</TD><TD></TD><TD>$266</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

....it might be worth the wait....

66S|Pv Ritter
05-30-2007, 02:47 AM
About cases, I have to say that Antec makes some darned good ones. My last two have been Antec cases. What I love about them is how easy they are to mess with. You attach these little slide type things on your cd-rom/dvd-rom/whatever type drives and then you just slide them right in until they snap in place. No more screwing them directly into the case. That, alone, is worth it lol. I know Chaintec or some other brand makes an almost identical model as the Antec, except they make them out of aluminum instead of steel. I prefer steel because they're a lot more sturdy, but they are pretty heavy. If you're putting it on the floor or near the edge of your desk, it shouldn't be a problem. The case I'm currently using is a Performance II SOHO case or somesuch. It's been a while since I bought it, but it's still nice. It's got more room in it for hard drives and things like that. Antec cases usually come with a power supply, but it may not be the power supply that you want (power-wise). I believe the Chaintec or whatever aluminum versions don't come with the power supplies but cost about the same. I assume it's because of aluminum costing more than steel. Now, I have to say that these cases don't tend to be all flashy with windows in the side and disco balls dangling out their arse like some other cases...but in my opinion, they're top notch in design.

BigBlueCheese
05-31-2007, 01:59 AM
E|Kpt.ADRIFTER;246251']hmm, seems the FX and e6700 are about dead even.......FX wins with HD footage conversion, core 2 in photoshop......


anyone else have an opinion on FX-74 VS core 2 e6700?

can anyone confirm this release date? :
<table class="wikitable"><tbody><tr><td>Core 2 Duo E6850</td><td></td><td>3000 MHz</td><td>4096 KiB</td><td>1333 MT/s</td><td>9x</td><td></td><td>65 W</td><td>LGA 775</td><td>July 22, 2007</td><td></td><td>$266</td></tr></tbody></table>

....it might be worth the wait....

Can't confirm the release date, but as far as FX vs Duo, go duo because the socket will be around for a little while. FX is on the opteron socket and won't last as long. AMD is going to be sticking with the AM2 socket, so unless you go for an AM2 socket CPU (underpowered today, but maybe not when the new AMD processor comes out... whenever...) I'd go for the Core2 so that it's more future-proof.

However, that is only my opinion ;)

3B|Ct KSolo
05-31-2007, 05:16 AM
But, BBC has some good opinions.

I, too, am building my first rig and I'm going with the Core 2 Duo 6600 - based on many opinions that are lurking in these forums. Quads are not being used nearly to their full potential anytime soon, so the Core's seem to be the best thing out there at the moment.

Actually, are people positive the Core 6700's aren't worth the cost? I sure wouldn't mind extra speed when I'm all set and done.

ADRIFTER
06-04-2007, 02:10 AM
i really could care less about what socket it is.......i'll just by a new mobo when i need to.

it seems the FX-74 owns the 6700 in Pcmark cpu test, but loses in memory (as in cache memory, right?) tests.

are the results of those tests actually meaningful?

also, can anyone find the front side bus speeds on the FX-74?


@Ksolo, it really depends on wha you're ung your PC for and if you plan on over-clocking not.

if you're only using it for games, then i dont think the 6700 is worth it......because with the overall design of the conroe chip (favoring more effecient processing over raw frequency speeds), the extra .26 Ghz should make little difference in games today.

ADRIFTER
06-04-2007, 02:55 AM
and heres an important question:

if your Ram is only so fast (lets use 800 mhz for example) and your processor's FSB is 1066, would it make a difference to upgade to a faster FSB (lets say 2000 mhz here) ? Or would the FSB be bottlenecked to begin with, meaning the ram is limiting its speed?


***edit: like wise, does the processor's FSB get bottlenecked by the motherboard's FSB speeds....or is a faster FSB on the processor going to be helpful?

***edit 2: does the motherboard bottleneck the ram too?

this is getting dang confusing.....


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edit 3: are there really so few mobo's that even support the FX-74's socket (F, but L for using dual fx-74's)?

i found this as the most expensive socket F: MSI K9N4 SLI-F Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 500 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130071) -$85

and this as the only socket L: ASUS L1N64-SLI WS Dual Socket L (Socket 1207FX) NVIDIA nForce 680a SLI MCP SSI CEB AMD Motherboard - Retail (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131146) - $330

is there anything in between? would you recommend the first of the two....is it any good?

[WaW]TA|Stubbfan
06-05-2007, 03:22 PM
First off all. I haven't been bulding computers in like 2years now. So im not updated. I might not be a 100% correct

if your Ram is only so fast (lets use 800 mhz for example) and your processor's FSB is 1066, would it make a difference to upgade to a faster FSB (lets say 2000 mhz here) ? Or would the FSB be bottlenecked to begin with, meaning the ram is limiting its speed?


***edit: like wise, does the processor's FSB get bottlenecked by the motherboard's FSB speeds....or is a faster FSB on the processor going to be helpful?

Yes the FSB on the motherboard will bottleneck both you processor and your RAM. There is no point to buy a processor with higher FSB than the motherboard can handle.
The RAMfsb won't bottleneck the CPUfsb by itself, but of course the slower the RAM, the slower the readings between CPU and RAM.

On a side note. Don't overdo it too much, atleast not if you're not like rich or something. I often go for the second or third best option when im building computers, and that saves you alot of cash and you can still have a good rig.

BigBlueCheese
06-05-2007, 11:23 PM
RAM Speed is determined by the processor speed in AMD units. Divide the processor speed by the RAM interface speed (400MHz for 800MHz RAM) and you'll get a number, round that number up if it's not whole and then divide the processor speed by that to get the actual RAM speed.

Here's the page of the article about it with AMD: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/05/04/which_is_the_best_mainstream_cpu/page4.html

Motherboard needs to be rated for FSB speeds I believe as the FSB can be only pushed as far as the motherboard will let it go.

I still say go for the Core2 because the speeds you get with it will be very nice and will do a lot for you plus it will have lots of room to upgrade while saving you the $100-150 of getting a new mobo.

However, if your heart is set on the FX series, go for the FX-72 as it appears to have that nice 2.8MHz clock speed that works well with the RAM. Otherwise you'll have to overclock the FX-74 from 3.0GHz to 3.2GHz to get good performance out of it. The 3.0 mark gets a serious bottleneck on the RAM, so the 2.8 is the better speed.

I can't find anyting about the L socket. Only the F.